Am i the only one who think NB has been something of a disaster for the club



He took over a team built by Sharp and given a bit of momentum by Anderson and Purtill.

He took us to a cc cup final ( but so did Sharp and i do not see him being put on a pedestal).

Since then he has built a team which frankly is not up to the task due to some poor recruitment ie filling the team with second rows and hookers and no props.
Now it is clear that Baloo has a big rebuilding of his own to do, he is not taking over a good, successful and happy team and will have to do it all again. That is what NB has left him.

He has been outhought by other coaches in a lot of big games since.

we have IMHO got worse every season.

Of course there have been some highs and great days but are we better than we were the last time Baloo was in charge.

We can all point to other positives bigger crowds and the setting up of a proper development programme but that is down to Ken's £.

NB may have helped some players develop and become better but his best successes were Lunt and Kirmond and he was quite happy to offload them.

I feel that NB has wasted Kens legacy of the last four years.

With the Full salary cap etc that was available would we have done better with Tony Smith or McGuire in charge

You wont ever hear me saying he's been anything other than fantastic for our club - just a shame it all went a bit breasts vertical in the end.

No use using hindsight - we didnt have McGuire or Smith (not recently) so no point bringing them into the equation.
Remind me again how many other coaches took us into the top 5 in cosecutive years and made us into a contending team ?.

Sorry , i'm definitely not with you on this .

Don't agree either Durham Giant. He took us to the top 4 and raised expectations. A real legacy there.

But just remind us again which coach apart from Brown has had the full cap to spend

i totally disagree with this. when baloo took over in 09 we was at rock bottom form wise anything would have been an improvement, nathan brown came in and improved fitness, defence and most important confidence in their ability, 2009 finished 3rd and a cup final. which in the cup final some ref decisions and losing kevin brown after 30 mins was a big blow which the team couldnt recover.

2010 we was 20 mins away from old trafford but saints main man came on and does what made him a world class hooker and we ran out of steam.

last 2 season we have started like a house on fire and had a slump due to injurys and the on going speculation.

as for recruitment im not sure there are many you can save have been a fail since coming to us. his built a mobile pack which when going dominated at pace allowing brough brown robbo and lunt main part of the time to control games. we have genuine pace which we didnt have for alot of years.

this season for what ever reason his tried changing it around and it hasnt worked and had to leave on terms which i know i didnt want as i wanted to give him a proper send off for the brilliant job his done.

not many coaches can come in and do what nathan has done. briliant memorys and some big wins including the last 2 headingly trips good luck and thank you is what i say to nathan brown

He's a good assistant coach but out of his depth as a head coach. We should have beaten saints in 2010 but he played Lunt at 2nd row who got run over for a couple of trys. That was the beginning of the end for me, when his tinkering really started. Can't man manage and wont do confrontation. Not good for the boss.

Pre-Brown what was your team like?

Compare that to where you were with Brown?

Such a disaster...

Are you serious? Everything was against you in that match: it was our last ever fixture at KR and it was Cunningham's last ever home game...

What about the challenge cup semi final at Warrington were you absolutely played us off the park? Remember that one?

I bet Trent Barrett would have a different view on whether NB shied away from confrontation or not.

I'm not advocating the slap-in-the-face approach, but it doesn't indicate someone who doesn't 'do' confrontation.

2000 - Shuddersfield year
2001 - Last
2002 - Not in the league
2003 - 10th
2004 - 7th
2005 - 8th
2006 - 9th
2007 - 5th
2008 - 10th
Brown comes in
2009 - 3rd
2010 - 5th
2011 - 4th
2012 - ???

So he's taken a side from 10th (or apart from 2007) a bottom half of the league side, to regular top 4 side, even this year with him in charge you would more than likely have finished in the top 6.

WHAT A DISASTER

Each coach has their part to play in building up a team. Saints didn't just suddenly have a fabulous team that won everything in 2006. We had a few coaches before Daniel Anderson who had recruited well and grown the team both in terms of its spine and its ethos. While Hudds have yet to reach the winning finals stage they are almost there and I think you have Brown to thank for that, with the work of Sharp in preparation before him.

I have my doubts about Brown coming to Saints but I don't have doubts that he has been good for Hudds. Maybe he stayed a season too long, but only a season.